Annex 4

The de Greinvilles & their manor

The information on the manor is very sketchy. Morant says it was named after them and they held it from the time of K Ric I [118999] to K Edwd III [132777], a span, say, of 1190 to 1370.

Reaney, p 457, says it was variously called Grenevylles 1389 CL; 1530 Ct; Grenevill 1425 FA; Grenefyles 1428 Fa; Grenefeld 142552 ECP ; I have not identified the abbns.

I interpret LDB to say that it was part of Hamo’s major land described in entry 22.11. that we share with Toppesfield. Goti held it t.r.e. but did not keep it.

This is a copy of file Stoke4 in Library Vol: only the charters which mention the Greinvills are noted here by their numbers. They all date from 1163-1296.

1088The name does not appear in LDB, unless it be the enigmatic ‘G’ who held the land annexed by Hamo in 90.57 at Scoteneys. There is a Count Eustace of Boulogne, brother in law of King Edward; the family was using this Christian name for a lord who lived about 11601200 less than a century later. G may well be Goti or Gilbert.
1163-83301Robert de Grenville he is the earliest recorded owner of our church and original grantor of our advowson to Stoke Priory.
John the chaplain he is our first certain Rector for he had rights preserved in the charter but he is not actually named as John de Stanborn in it
Iohanne testibus
1173-8359Wm of Glos; Earl Robt his father; Amicis Francis et Anglis
Robt de Greinville
Ricardo, Ct of Clare; Robt his brother ; Guidone s o David; Symone de Kardil
1180c.304Eustace de Gnvl
Willelmo Capra (Chevre) who succeeded to his estate in the late 1140s
1180c.305Eustace de Gnvl
Wm s o Poppa
1180c.306E de Gnvl
Wm Poppe
Ricardo de Blaveni
1180-87117Gilbert Folio; Ep Lon
Robert de Greinville Knight. This single entry is the only record that these Grenvilles were armigerous.
Gilbert a/dn Mddx; Ricardo magistro scolarum London
1205 or earlier302 = cclxxviii =298Eustace de Greinville who owned our advowson & /or building in 1189-1206 is confirming his father’s granting of us to Stoke]
Gilbert Dec de Gelham et aliis testibus
1220c.303Ric de Gnvl
Gaufrido de Cavenedis
1220-1260307Simon s o Ralph de Gnvl
Domino H, filio Walteri [T] was he our rector?

This is the last mention of Stamburne in Part 2 of the reprint of the Stoke charters which ends with number 655. Vol VI in the series, which contains Part III, is in the complete set in Senate House Library. It is commentary, history & indices and is abstracted in File Stoke5b in my vol: Library.

Eustace paid scutage for the release of K Ric I in 118999. He has succeeded by 1186 & is dead by 1206 or 1205; He confirms his father’s grant. C302, 304, 305, 306.

There are records of 3 boys who are likewise his sons: they are:

  1. Richard who seems to have the inheritance 1206 1220, [it is certain he has it in 1214 1217.] He too confirms his father’s grant. C306
  2. Gerard and
  3. Ralph are known from lawsuits of 1196 & 1198. They appear in the Queens’ deeds

    Simon is the s o Ralph, the youngest of these but seems nevertheless to have inherited c. 1220 1260; certainly he was active1256/7 [C307] & 1257/8.

    One, Richard s o Simon, (probably Symon de Cantelupo) seems to be a different person from the eldest boy of Eustace, who was also named Simon q.s.s No 1.
1299A second Richard impleaded Gilbert Hakin I must work this out cannot interpret this (JBE) ?DELETE? AFE
1322Walter de Greinville was using his seal, a/t Morant, but on what is not stated. I think this must be the undated 1st Queens’ deed which is probably of this time. Walter is not mentioned in it though he is in deed no Q 4 of 1351 q.v. The seal is described as having on it ” a saltier etc ” . Was Gt Yeldham church already dedicated to S Andrew ? Dean Gilbert was active 1163 1181.
1327Johanna de Grenville was the largest payer of the Lay Subsidy in Stambourne, viz. 10/10 ob.

John de Gestingthorpe comes in here incorporated into the McWm unification of the parish but I am not clear exactly how or when.
1351Walter de Grenville is witness to deed Q4 of 24 February
1420The MacWilliams unify the parish.
1596-1623Sir Beric – who was he?
1783–1813 The Grenville name appears again as the Marquis of Buckingham @ Gosfield Hall (DNB). He is active in promoting strawplatting but J H Round says the estate becomes ruinous this may be relevant to the demise of the trade hereabouts.

Morant (note 7 p355) refers to their bearing a Saltire. The word denotes a shape but not a tincture. Burke gives the XIXc Buckinghams a white cross on a green ground. Perhaps the Grenville arms were ‘vert, a saltire argent’.

White cross on a green background

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